I’ve never seen men pick apart other statistics as much as as the statistics on what percentage of rapes, sexual assaults, and violent crimes are committed by men. So much energy is put into the denial of any possibility that they could be responsible. It costs approximately $0, ¥0, €0, ₩0, £0, ₣0, and ₱0 to say “hey, this group that I am a part of is doing shitty things”
I feel the same way about black people. Black people should be blamed for all crime. As a part of that group, i shouldnt be saying “not all blacks” or picking apart false statistics. I should instead be spreading that we should be teaching black people not to steal and murder. So much energy in denial when i should be accepting the gross negatove generalization of my entire group based purely on how we were born.
You’re arguing that people should accept responsibility for things they didn’t do on the basis that accepting responsibility for things is inherently good.
littlemeowth you’re a rapist. Instead of rightly proving that claim wrong just accept it because why not?
I mean at least I’m not part of a group that makes up 99% of violent crimes so like…
and also I’m just looking for some acknowledgement here that there might be an issue. Because I think there’s something the fuck up with yall honestly. Can you tell me why there’s so much violence? why is it that 99% of the time it’s a dude being a violent ass? What’s the problem here, fellas ?
Apply your logic to “black people” and then tell me what the problem is, lol.
Because suddenly you’ll find you sound like a white supremacist.
My bad, it’s closer to 90% when it comes to homicides
And the reason why men are the majority is simple. Men are more likely to exert violence on behalf of a woman they care about than the other way around and women are more likely to employ male assistance with the need to resolve a conflict violently than the other way around. This is why the majority of homicides with a woman involved are multiple offender homicides not single offender homicides. Even when a woman does want to kill, she’d rather get a man to help a large portion of the time.
I haven’t clicked on your link yet, but I can almost certainly guarantee where you got this number from. It’s either the CDC or the BJS (or RAINN linking to the CDC and/or BJS).
“vaginal, anal, or oral penetration by the offender”
That means that when a woman forces herself onto a man against his will, it is not counted as “rape” because the offender (the woman) is not penetrating the man anally or orally. She’s forcing him to penetrate her and therefore it is not penetration by the offender and not counted as rape by the survey.
As I said, I haven’t looked at your link, but now I will to see if my predictions about your source are correct.
Aaaand I was right, it’s the BJS. Wow, this is an incredibly old source. It’s not often I see the 1997/1998 report quoted when they have ones from a couple years ago. In any event, I was right. Here are some of the sources they got the rape statistics from:
So the NCVS I already covered. The definition given above seems gender neutral, but as I demonstrated with the full definition the NCVS uses, male victims who aren’t penetrated by their rapist aren’t covered.
The National Incident-Based Reporting System is gender neutral and inclusive of men, but those statistics then get sent to the UCR program, which draws from the NIBRS and several other sources.
There are a couple more sources on the next page, but they both define rape as “forcible intercourse” which is vague but still often used in a narrow way to exclude male victims.
Lucky for us, despite the CDC not including male victims of female rapists under the “rape” category, they do ask about those incidents and include them in the “made to penetrate”.
What do we find when we compare “rape” in women with “made to penetrate” in men?
In 12 months, 1.1% of men (or 1.2 million) were “made to penetrate” while within the same 12 months 1.1% (or 1.2 million) women were raped. So the rate of women being raped was equal to that of men who were made to penetrate someone. And before you try to make the claim that the “made to penetrate” category still includes mostly men doing it to other men, here’s what the study says:
For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims reported only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (79.2%), sexual coercion (83.6%), and unwanted sexual contact (53.1%).
So the proportion of men raping women to women raping men might not be exactly 50/50, but it’s a lot closer to 60/40 than it is 99/1 like you claim.
Another study compiled the data from the CDC and four other federal surveys with the explicit goal of being more fair to properly counting male victims. This is what they found.
We assessed 12-month prevalence and incidence data on sexual victimization in 5 federal surveys that the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted independently in 2010 through 2012. We used these data to examine the prevailing assumption that men rarely experience sexual victimization. We concluded that federal surveys detect a high prevalence of sexual victimization among men—in many circumstances similar to the prevalence found among women. We identified factors that perpetuate misperceptions about men’s sexual victimization: reliance on traditional gender stereotypes, outdated and inconsistent definitions, and methodological sampling biases that exclude inmates. We recommend changes that move beyond regressive gender assumptions, which can harm both women and men.
is it? because this is just one person’s interpretation of like 2 sources and pretty much every source you will find on this issue is contradicting to each other so I mean if you wanna settle on what fits your worldview that’s perfect and good but like just type in “violence by gender” into a google search and you’ll find a lot of different results
like if you’re actually interested in finding “the truth” or whatever like do your own research ffs. Don’t settle for one man’s interpretation just because it serves your views. I’m personally undecided on this issue because there is so much contradictory evidence.
Ok I’ll go off further and I’m going to post more sources that use different guidelines and how one of those guidelines work when they classify abuse, the severity of that abuse, and the language they use when they refer to male/female batterers and victims. That really plays into part of how reliable said sources are and whether they’re using the full equation when it comes to abuse stats.
Below are two surveys that used the CTS2 (The revised version of the conflict tactic scale) for their mode of conducting surveys. I’m not citing surveys that used the original CTS because that one has several flaws. The CTS2, includes new scales (Sexual Coercion and Injury), additional items added to the original three scales, some item refinement, and improved operationalization of minor and severe levels of conflict tactics. The original CTS items appeared in hierarchical order (least to most severe), while the CTS2 intersperses item-level severity. The Conflict Tactic Scales (CTS, CTS2) were designed to measure the range of tactics used in response to conflict with a family member and the frequency with which respondents use specific tactics to solve conflicts. They’re commonly used with dating and spousal relationships too.
This first anonymous survey (using CTS2 guidelines) took 326 college aged students (215 women; 85 men) that were in or are currently in heterosexual relationships. The survey was divided into different habits/behaviors the students exhibited within their relationships (courtship, relationship, breakup, etc.).
Under the relationship category; there’s mild and severe relationship violence. Overall, 23% of men and 40% of women reported preforming in one or more of the mild violence items, while 4% of men and 14% of women reported performing one or more severe violence items. Women reported performing the mild and severe physically violent behaviors more than men during the relationship. xxx
The second survey I got (also using the modified version of the CTS2) took U.S adults – aged 18 to 28 – within heterosexual relationships. A sample of 11370 was taken in this survey; 24% of them reporting violence. Half of that 24% were in reciprocally violent relationships. Even though men are more likely to inflict injury (as they’re physically stronger), women were more likely to initiate the violence in reciprocal relationships too.
In non-reciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases.
Keep in mind that reciprocal partner violence does not appear to be only comprised of self-defensive acts of violence. Studies of community samples found that a relatively low percentage of women endorsed self-defense as a primary motive for violence. It was reported that 70% of the minor violence and 60% of the severe violence was not in self-defense. Reference 37 used a similar method, and got similar results: 37% of the minor violence and 43% of the severe violence was initiated by women.
If we average out several studies – instead of taking info off of one – you’ll find that men and women initiate violence around the same rate.
This third survey is from Australia and its data was extrapolated from the International Social Science Survey. They didn’t use CTS guidelines but they based it off of the Family Interaction Module.
A sample of 1643 people were taken (804 men; 839 women) in which they responded to their experience with domestic violence within the past year.
5.7% men were victims of physical assaults while 3.7% of women were. 1.8% of men and 1.2% of women that injuries they received required first aid while 1.5% of men and 1.1% of women had injuries that needed treatment by a nurse or doctor.
I’m also going to add off by mentioning conviction rates too. Men aren’t as likely to report that they’ve been sexually assaulted or abused, especially by a woman – as it’s more stigmatized for men to report abuse by a female perpetrator than it is for women to report abuse by a male perpetrator. This probably explains the huge discrepancy between male and female offenders of sexual abuse. So I wouldn’t go solely off of conviction rates.
Also note that the US Department of Justice did not count women as perpetrators until they were forced to by the CDC. So the earlier DOJ surveys of partner violence like the one you used probably aren’t so reliable.
P.S: Articles that cite the Dekeseredy Campus study to use as an argument for male aggression/female victimization are also unreliable. Because within that study men acting out in self-defense were counted as perpetrators while women who did the same were rightfully not counted as one.
tl;dr (if yall don’t want to read all of that): Take what you will from this, but based off of violence rates shown above and higher stigmatization of men reporting abuse by women you’ll see that the gap isn’t as huge as a lot of people assume it to be.
littlemeowth >like if you’re actually interested in finding “the truth” or whatever like do your own research ffs. Don’t settle for one man’s interpretation just because it serves your views. I’m personally undecided on this issue because there is so much contradictory evidence.
You sounded pretty self-assured in your previous posts. Is this your passive-aggressive way of admitting you were wrong?
I’m pretty sure “do your own research” is the go to response for people who believe something that is objectively wrong but want to ignore the expert analysis. It’s the same argument kyrie Irving gave for the world being flat. If someone says “do your own research” they are either wrong, or they are telling you not to plagiarize on a research paper you were supposed to write yourself.
This was beautiful to read.
This is the debate equivalent of realizing an opponent lived with 1 HP and hitting them with your strongest attack for style points.
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