such-justice-wow:

rainbowloliofjustice:

churchyardgrim:

critically-yours:

failure-artist:

elfwreck:

lines-and-edges:

laflenkenway:

chelonianmobile:

ichigokage:

chelonianmobile:

ichigokage:

chelonianmobile:

ichigokage:

cutiequeercris:

critically-yours:

No ifs, ands, or buts.

Seriously. As a rape survivor, i fucking hate the “jokes” about brock turner or bill cosby or whoever getting raped in prison as punishment bc it does nothing but reinforce the idea that sexual violation is deserved

Okay but I know a pedophile who raped at least two children and showed zero regret and that he’d do it again. I hope that scum is passed around like a cigarette and beaten.

Will that magically un-rape those kids or stop him raping more, or will it just make him angry and encourage both him and his attackers to rape more people who don’t, in your eyes, “deserve” it?

Dunno. He deserves to suffer though. His wife lost custody of her child because of him. She had no clue what that sick fuck was up to and now can barely see her son. So, yes. Let him suffer.

And do all the people he will abuse afterwards, which, what with his having become angrier and more violent and no longer having anything to lose, will be more people and hurt more severely than if he hadn’t been assaulted, also deserve to suffer?

Okay look. He molested me twice when we were younger then grew up to do the same to kids. Decent people shouldn’t suffer. Rapists, abusers? They deserve hellfire. I’m pisses that my tax dollars go to feeding that scum and keeping him living in breathing when all he wants to do is hurt others. Fuck him and all others like him.

Yes, and my point is that doing to him what he did to you WILL MAKE HIM DO WHAT HE DID AGAIN AND WORSE TO MORE PEOPLE, NOT FEWER. Every single study that’s been done shows that either you get to be loudly angry or you get to actually protect kids, not both.

It’s not about studies @chelonianmobile, it’s not about reforming the perpetrators, it’s vengeance, plain and simple, it’s about leveraging the harshest possible torture on a piece of shit individual who gave up their rights to life, liberty, and property when they did that sick shit until their sanity is broken and then hanging them like a rabid dog. As they deserve.

See, that’s the thing. When we, as a society, prioritize what abusers deserve over what victims deserve, we are sacrificing the victims to the perpetrators. The side effect of that vengeful mindset is ultimately that rapists are enabled, and more innocents are victimized. Is that a consequence you’re willing to accept?

If not, you should probably start caring about what the evidence says about the efficacy of different justice systems.

US politicians and corporate leaders like to ignore evidence and research, too. They aren’t doing it because they want the human population to die out, starting in impoverished countries; they’re doing it because they want money, and they don’t care if the consequence of their immediate gratification kills innocents.

But the world we live in is, ultimately, full of rape and catastrophic hurricanes because decision-makers aren’t taking care with the long-term consequences of their actions. And actually preventing these things requires paying attention to the evidence about what does and doesn’t work.

The problem with vengeance:

It’s founded on the notion that “karma” doesn’t work, that there is no divine justice, that we should take the place of the gods we claim to honor and inflict the retribution we believe they would. It’s founded on the idea that pain has mass, that it can be measured, that pain inflicted in one direction is best addressed by pain inflicted in the opposite direction, as if it were a pile of spikes and poison on a balance-scale, as if it were a spear the abuser has thrown and the way to counter that is to throw a spear the same size and shape back at him.

But abuse isn’t a pile of ugly rocks and it’s not a spear. It’s damage. It’s torn flesh that bleeds; it’s a hole in the ceiling of your self that lets the rain in; it’s potholes in the road that force you to move slow or suffer more damage.

And you don’t fix those by inflicting more damage. You don’t fix its effects on a community by inflicting more damage. If someone’s running around with a sword, cutting him not only won’t heal his victims, it won’t make the community a safer place: twice as many people bleeding is not better for anyone.

We need a different method. We need a different approach for those people in our communities who are so damaged, so misguided, so filled with hate or so lacking of empathy that they can do these horrible things. 

If a person is irredeemable – an arguable point – then we should destroy him. Kill him and be done. But encouraging torture just means that we value torture as a tool, as a method of communication, as a way to build relationships.

(And that’s aside from the practical side of things: While I understand the impulse to say, “I have been hurt; he should hurt as he hurt me,” rape will rarely result in that. He, after all, is not being betrayed by someone he trusted. That trauma can’t be inflicted by strangers.) 

There are ways to make most rapists suffer, to make them aware of the damage they’ve caused and repent and feel true guilt over it. But they’re not quick and simple, and they have to be adjusted for the individual – they require accepting that this is a person, and calling out his humanity and empathy until he can’t turn away from the truth.

It’s hard. And most of us would rather just have monsters to blame. You don’t have to feel guilt yourself for what happens to monsters.

And the cycle continues.

besides, if we let a rapist get raped in prison, there’s still gonna be a rapist getting rewarded in this situation. prison rapists aren’t noble defenders of justice, they’re just rapists.

“prison rapists aren’t noble defenders of justice, they’re just rapists.”

imo if someone is really truly invested in reducing sexual abuse they’re going to be willing to do whatever is necessary to prevent sexual abusers from re-offending.

even if what is necessary for that is not punishment. 

if you’re more invested in punishing wrongdoers than you are in preventing more victims being created in the future, you’re not interested in reducing the amount of abuse in the world, you’re only interested in hurting people who you believe deserve it. they’re not the same thing, not by a long shot. and I don’t think future victims will thank you for taking the satisfying but short sighted route of nonconstructive punishment over actual rehabilitation and prevention of future abuse.

I don’t get why people think that prison rapists are just… idk good people?

At the end of the day a rapist is still a rapist.

Did you see the article about the literal nazis being praised because they were a gang in prison beating up pedophiles. These people have a whacked out sense of comparitive morality.

Rape is never in self defense and never excuseable.

Wanting to encourage people to rape people is insane and i dont know how anyone got through that thought without realising it was crazy.

All this does is encourage the idea that there is good rape when there isnt. You can’t correctively rape someone into being a good person for gods sake.