“Your example is invalid because non-male non-female partly-male partly-female people want to identify as females who exclusively love females.Females who use female pronouns and exclusively love females aren’t the only people who can call themselves females who exclusively love females.”
–Shiro
Lesbian is the term used for WOMEN who EXCLUSIVELY love other WOMEN. Lesbian is meant solely for she/her wlw. To say its not is pretty interesting lmao. @arco-pluris
lesbian les·bi·an[ˈlezbēən]NOUN a homosexual woman.
homosexual ppl can be genderquestioning, multigender, demigender, juxera, this female-exclusivism in lesbian-ness is a BERF fallacy as @bidyke has pointed out. homoattraction was debinarized and multisexuality wasn’t always mono-free (monodissident).
The freedom to self-identify our sexuality is incompatible with the freedom to self-identify our gender, because the freedom to self-identify our sexuality assumes that we can know or decide the gender of other people, and the freedom to self-identify our gender rejects this assumption.
If we are committed to gender self-determination, we must reject sexuality self-determination.
(To be precise, this limitation is not on «whom one is allowed to be attracted to», but rather «what name is acceptable to give to this particular pattern of being attracted to others» – note that there is no particular restrictions of this sort to place on asexuality.)
And even aside from that, all arguments about why “I would never date a fat or [insert non-white race] person” is bad also apply to any of the infinite genders and every possible body type that they might occupy.
#DroptheL and #DroptheG are much more sensible platforms than either #DroptheT or #DroptheB as well as ace and aro exclusionism.
MISS ME with that ANTI-GAY SHIT, you SELF-OBSESSED OVERLABELED BASTARD. Why don’t we make the A for AHISTORICAL for how FUCKING MUCH of a SLAP to the FACE this MOGAI bullshit is to the FOUNDERS OF THE LGBT COMMUNITY. You fucking heard that right, specialboy, it’s L G B T for LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, and TRANSSEXUAL, nothing about BOYGIRL or BIHET or ANIMEGENDER because YOU FUCKERS ARE NOT FUCKING OPPRESSED FOR EXISTING. The ONLY oppression sjw garbage-guzzling TRANS-FETISHISTS like YOU face is runoff from PRETENDING to STAND WITH US.You know NOTHING about REAL LGBT struggles because if you did you wouldn’t be trying to OVERCOMPLICATE and UNDERMINE progress by WRAPPING YOUR LIMP DICKCLIT UP in BULLSHIT DETAILS NO SANE PERSON WOULD EVER CONSIDER. You really fucking think ANYONE outside of your IRONCLAD ECHOCHAMBER would EVER take you seriously? When you’re literally COMMITTING HOMOPHOBIA IN THE NAME OF ENDING LGBTQQIAPPAPE129CXKL-PHOBIA? Of fucking COURSE not. You’re BARELYspeakingcomprehensible ENGLISH most of the time, never mind the fact it takes a whole DICTIONARY OF BASEMENT-DWELLER GENDER JARGON to decode your precious “gender identity” into “bi otherkin with a fake system who doesn’t want to FUCK all the time,” if you could ever GET ANY at ALL.
How fucking DARE you. How fucking DARE you come into this community and try and KICK THE MAJORITY OF ITS ORIGINAL MEMBERS OUT, when without us you wouldn’t have even HAD a COMMUNITY to APPROPRIATE and DESTROY. You’re no better than a fucking COLONIST STEALING AND RAPING THE TERRITORY that we FOUGHT FOR AND DEFENDED WITH OUR LIVES,then turning around and CLAIMING YOU WERE MEANT TO BE HEREALL ALONG. You are the fucking EPITOME of PRIVILEGE and IGNORANCE, and the fact that there is more than ONE of you FREAKY BASTARDS out there spreading this BULLSHIT everywhere you go like a PLAGUE makes me worry for the safety of a FUTURE GENERATION whose identities AREN’T just PILES AND PILES OF USELESSLY SPECIFIC MONIKERS.
I’d tell you to eat shit, but you’d say eating shit is self-determined, and exclusionary.
–Kuro
Dude you’re a voltron, that’s the 2017 equivalent to being a Homestuck. Don’t call others basement dwellers if you’re gonna weeb out. Besides, you described Arco’s orientation instead of aer gender identity… lmfaoooooo you’re not even fluent in this lingo, if ae’s capable of navigating it that’s a complement on aer, who actually puts effort into something other than fandom and being an irrelevant Tumblr anti. I beg you, find another hobby instead of self-righteously screaming at people on the internet.
what the fuck
these people are actively trying to fucking kick homosexuals out of the lgbt community and you’re acting like op isnt fucking justified on how absolute bullshit that is? you know how much of a fucking dumbass you are? defending homophobes isnt anything new sweetie….holy shit.
This might sound wild to the walking stereotype side of Tumblr (the one that calls people um SwEaTiE) but I know arco-pluris cross-social-media and I was the one who presented much of MOGAI stuff to ae in the first place. I know where aer sentiment comes from regardless of whether or not I agree with it. And yeah, I think I am in the right to think you’re being assholes over something with no relevance in real life.
Anyone who has browsed aes blog for some time realizes that ae got major difficulties with expressing aerself in English… and those also apply to our native language, Portuguese. Ae has autism, ADHD and aer system is probably real because I read aer birth chart and I noticed signs indicating C-PTSD stemming from early childhood trauma. They have different political opinions and everything. MOGAI is aer special interest and ae gets trashed for it because ae communicates in this very specific, formal language-y way regardless of what ae’s talking about, it’s not just a MOGAI thing.
Besides MOGAI has been all but void as a community in the past years (you would know if you weren’t obvious teens – we were hundreds of active blogs in 2014) and aer politics get practically no following. In fact I expected other MOGAIs to judge aer for these talking points just as they are probably gonna be shocked by my “no-filter, I’m not from Tumblr and I have no time for your inner bullshit etiquette” attitude.
You react like ae has the power to legislate anti-homosexuality death penalty laws in Uganda or something. Maybe think about where does this resentment come from in aer case and in the case of your friends as well.
what the fuck are you even trying to communicate to me
im not even trying to be snarky, this is actually hard to comprehend
what the fuck is ae? i genuinely do not care about whatever they have to say. ‘dropping’ anyone from the lgbt community is absolutely fucking ridiculous. homosexuals still get the death penalty in so many fucking places that i find it disgusting that this person thinks it actually fucking makes sense to ‘drop’ them from a safe space that they have. you two fuckers sound absolutely fucking INSANE.
Your friend, buddy, discourse colleague, whatever, came at my friend for ‘their’ labels. And he called them a fake system. That is disingenuous and dumb. My friend is notably neurodivergent and they wouldn’t need to lie about something like this. None of you know them out of Tumblr, none of you know what kind of personality, aspirations, feelings or positions they have outside of this blog and the themes it discusses.
One needs to be incredibly mean and pathetic to come at an autistic person for their special interest and how they articulate their own feelings about themselves when so many of us are gaslit all the time for trying to be who we are, in a way that does not harm anyone else. And no, people don’t ought to please your personal considerations about the proper way to be LGBT to have the right to be as they so please. Microlabels are, ultimately, in themselves, always a right of people to apply to themselves.
And one needs to be an utter dork to not realize that we came from a country where hardship to LGBT people actually is so bad in such a way that we are afraid for our material safety. We run a high risk of electing a fascist whose campaign rests in great part in scaremongering about pro-LGBT sex education in public schools. Where more of us die in suicides and hate crimes than in any other country of the world together.
That’s the people who you pester about how they’re not perfect when they adopt ace discourse, they engage in problematic shipping, they spank it to questionable fetishistic cartoons, or whatever bullshit it is that you teens suddenly decided to turn into our intra-community priority this month.
Don’t you think it’s at least a little misguided and ridiculous?
why the hell is your friends special interest being fucking homophobic
If you really believed this you wouldn’t make this sassy statement.
Because actual homophobes aren’t people frustrated at how the rest of the community is telling them ‘how dare you experience your relationship to your gender, orientation, body and political language in a way discrepant from our internal hegemonic discourses! one of us, one of us…’
They are people who are proud about their position because they consider us nasty degenerate freaks. And it is incredibly hard to argue anything about our existence with them without them considering our very humanity a threat to their fantasy for how the world should be.
Members of marginalized groups who use this emotionally manipulative rhetoric are extremely weak and sad people.
im so sorry you’ve never talked to a gay person
im also sorry you dont even fucking know what gender is, or orientation is
You know, it is extremely funny, ironic and clumsy when anti-MOGAIs base their identities (i.e. the pride they feel about their allegiance to the more central LGBT labels) on the need to make other people agree with their construction of it.
Yeah many gay people have a construct of gender and orientation in which my existence or arco’s is absurd and doesn’t make sense. So fucking what. More straight people have more power and more hegemony and a louder voice and we still will not just obey them because they scream at us about how we’re bullshitting them and our existence threatens the psychological development of children or decency in society or the laws of nature.
Imagine engaging so hard in LGBT activism… To make an argument for normality.
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Imagine engaging so hard in LGBT activism… To make an argument for normality. “
What do you genuinely think LGBT activism is for? What do you think people have fought for??? To be viewed as someone different because of the way we were born??? People to be treated different???? Or to be treated as normal fucking people with brains that make goddamn sense?? Good for you! You use a gender that doesnt fucking exist! you look insane, congrats!
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